Thursday 29 November 2012

Lyndahere And A Post About Fan Behaviour (revised)...

When researching on Google about trading in live recordings I came across a Google search article on Lynda Elstad or @lyndahere’s blog page (August 29 2009) that stated Great Big Sea supported their fans recording their shows and trading amongst themselves. When I checked the cached article “It Soaks Into Your Eyes” Beauty Alight and Great Big Songwriters” the title of her blog page there was no mention of Great Big Sea supporting the trade in their live music recordings amongst their fans or anyone else. The Google search talks about members but does not specifically say who members are. The Google search was also connected to an article written by Ben Kaplan from the National Post August 2009 “What about the voice of Geddy Lee?” about a review of a documentary about Canadian music. This is the copy provided in her blog.

What about the voice of Geddy Lee?

Ben Kaplan, National Post  Published: Thursday, August 27, 2009.

Don't expect to learn about Gordon Lightfoot's love life or Trooper's backstage antics in This Beat Goes On and Rise Up!, two documentaries about the Canadian music scene in the 1970s and '80s made by the team of writer Nicholas Jennings and director Gary McGroarty. The films, which feature a combined 200 interviews and will be airing on CBC on four consecutive Thursday nights, are designed to honour Canadian songwriters, not drag them through the mud.

"When you think about Bruce Cockburn and Wondering Where the Lions Are?, you don't think about if he got drunk one night or threw anything out the window -- there's nothing there," says McGroarty, who managed the Canadian band Cano in the late-'70s and recently made a documentary with David Crosby about activism in music. "Americans haven't been celebrating songwriting for the past 10 years; it's all cult of personality. We wanted to celebrate the Canadian art of writing and recording a song."

The songs that the duo were able to round up include everything from classics by the usual subjects, records by Anne Murray, Rush, Neil Young and Joni Mitchell, but also influential, forgotten favourites, singles by bands like The Viletones, Rough Trade, Leroy Sibbles and The Kings. With interviews and live footage, the filmmakers -- whose earlier documentary, 2006's Shakin' All Over, looked at Canadian folk rock in the '60s -- explain how the Canadian music industry was born.

"I want to bring Canadian music back for people who may have forgotten, or introduce it to people who may never have known," says Jennings, whose book Before the Gold Rush, about the coffee shop scene in Toronto's Yorkville neighbourhood during the '60s, was the impetus for the film series.

Jennings says that he's a fan of huge Canadian records like Takin' Care of Business and Hot Child in the City, but that it's the lost classics such as Willie P. Bennett's 1970s records or a Truth and Rights song from a decade later that make this project so fun.

"Canadian musicians draw inspiration from the artists from Canada who came before them," says Jennings, adding that the team intends to make two more music docs that will cover Can-rock from the '90s to today. "Artists now see themselves as part of an ongoing journey. One of the great revelations for me in making these pictures was how Canadian music is linked."

The documentaries, featuring interviews with Nash the Slash, k-os, Burton Cummings and everyone from Corey Hart to Geddy Lee, highlight the music from all across Canada, from D. O. A to Great Big Sea.

"I think Canadians, more than anybody, are known for songwriting," McGroarty says. "Who wouldn't want to celebrate that?" - This Beat Goes On premieres tonight at 9 p. m. on CBC, and continues every Thursday until Sept. 17.

After skim reading the entire blog for August 2009 I could not find any reference to Great Big Sea saying it was acceptable for fans to trade in live recordings amongst themselves or with anyone else. I haven’t watched the video This Beat Goes On to find out if Great Big Sea said those words. @lyndahere mentioned something in her blog about not raking Canadian music through the mud. However, this blog is not about Great Big Sea, Alan Doyle, or Canadian music but about fan behaviour.

I am no expert in what Google puts up on its search introductions for posts. I leave the display of my content for this blog entirely up to them. They select what will be displayed, where and when it is displayed. The searches are constantly changing. When I publish a post I can either agree with what they suggest the post is about or write my own. In @lyndahere’s case she has allegedly written something that is not mentioned in the post or attached the article for her own reasons. Google to the best of my knowledge cannot write it’s own content for searches just reflect what is written by the author. Blogs (unlike a range of other research material) are not set in stone. They can be altered whenever the writer gets extra information or reflects on things after the event. I keep a copy of things I write from in case the authors decide to alter them later on.

After contacting a couple of long term Great Big Sea fans they were under the impression Great Big Sea does not support fans trading or recording live music amongst themselves or with anyone else. Three members of Great Big Sea Alan Doyle, Sean McCann and Bob Hallett in all the time I have followed them in the past year or so on Twitter have not retweeted nor acknowledged any of @lyndahere’s videos she has tweeted them. They may have unconsciously provided links to her videos on Youtube through friends such Russell Crowe or Scott Grimes. Murray Foster has retweeted one of her videos. His former band supports the trade of bootlegged concert videos by their fans. During my search on trading sites I found videos of live concerts for that band available for trade. As I have stated before I believe Great Big Sea don’t mind fans filming the occasional songs at a concert for personal use. They have often commented on those on Twitter. But stalking them continuously filming and photographing everything they do is an entirely different story.

The rest of the @lyndahere’s blog (minus the photographs)...

The Red Rock country of Utah is a beautiful place, one of the most beautiful I've ever seen. It's a beauty founded on and brought out by light - light and shadow, penetrating warmth and constant change. For all the beauty that we've seen thus far - and this morning we are in Bryce Canyon, one of my personal favourite places of all, a place I love with all my heart, just getting ready to head out to see the loveliness that awaits us - still, I find myself thinking of another striking beauty, one which is also founded on and brought out by light - light and shadow, penetrating warmth and constant change. And thinking of another one of those personal favourite places of all…

We've been travelling long days - great times, but long days - and by the time we get back to the  room  (usually long after sunset), the bed has looked more appealing than has the laptop, which has been pragmatic enough since most of the "free WiFi" connections at the lodges in these remote places have been wonky at best. We're here at Bryce for the next three nights, however, staying at what can legitimately be termed as a "resort," so I'm hoping to finally get caught back up. Still after sunset, though. There are some amazing trails just waiting to be hiked and I do not intend on keeping them waiting for long. As I said, beauty awaits. Who am I to keep beauty waiting?

I will linger long enough to put up this very interesting link I found in my overstuffed email box. Be sure to notice the highlighted paragraph near the end.

After I published the post I found these on a similar Google searches today...

August 2009 - Between The Rock And A Hard Place :Newfoundland
11 Aug 2009 – And every time I hear it, recorded or live (or via video made by a kind friend), it has the .... The number one thing you can do is write new great music to bring your crowd. ... members to tape their shows, but to trade bootlegs freely among themselves. .... Posted by: Stephen | 13 August 2009 at 05:41 AM ...
 August 2009 - Between The Rock And A Hard Place :Newfoundland
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Between The Rock And A Hard Place: Newfoundland, Great Big Sea, Alan Doyle, ... Ben Kaplan, National Post Published: Thursday, August 27, 2009 ..... And every time I hear it, recorded or live (or via video made by a kind friend), it has the .... members to tape their shows, but to trade bootlegs freely among themselves.



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